oh noooooooo ([info]breepants) wrote in [info]churchoferik,
2005-07-26 00:34:00
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I'm sorry but I couldn't help it: I saw it in my local library and I read Phantom fo Manhattan.

I was one long cringe from cover to cover. What ever possessed me to do so? But more importantly, what caused Forsyth to write such a horrible work? It was like really bad fanfiction.

I know Leroux is probably turning in his grave. But I did the Erik thing. I reported the book missing and had a ceremonial burning of it in my backyard with my friend. Now such a heretical work cannot contaminate others.

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[info]evilstorm

July 26 2005, 09:16:40 UTC 6 years ago

I reported the book missing and had a ceremonial burning of it in my backyard with my friend.

...You're kidding. That is brilliant. That is utter, utter brilliance, and I salute you! XD

(Although somewhere, deep down inside of me, my inner librarian is cringing. Siiigh.)

[info]alleykitten

July 27 2005, 16:06:20 UTC 6 years ago

No, it is not brilliant. Any retarded 5 year old with a match book can burn a book.

Brilliant would have been placing a sticker on the inside cover stating that this book is an insult to Leroux.

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[info]misfratz

July 26 2005, 11:28:39 UTC 6 years ago

Oh Yes!!!!! Let's have a book burning crusade against heretical works!

(I suffered a similar experience with finding Forsyth in the library and feeling obliged to read it, by the way. Can we get a specific confessional session from someone with that role in the church? Or perhaps a mass-pardonning of sins on this matter, because I suspect quite a few of us have contaminated ourselves by contact with this heresy.)

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July 27 2005, 16:07:19 UTC 6 years ago

My heart screams. I hope you're kidding.

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July 26 2005, 12:19:19 UTC 6 years ago

Bravo! Some books SHOULD be burned.

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July 27 2005, 16:05:04 UTC 6 years ago

No. No books should be burned.

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July 26 2005, 13:08:26 UTC 6 years ago

What the hell? No. You never burn a book, no matter how much you hate it. That just ain't cool.

[info]kusanivy

July 26 2005, 18:17:34 UTC 6 years ago

I agree. Just because you don't like a book doesn't mean that no one else does - I'm sure there is someone out there who does like Phantom Of Manhattan (not me personally - I didn't like it either but I can think of plenty of times when I loved something that my friends hated. And I have seen reviewers on Amazon who did like it.)

It would have been different had you bought or been given the book and then decided to burn it - because then it would have been yours and you could technically do whatever you wanted to it. But burning a library book is just wrong - a) it's not yours (so you are technically stealing it) and b) you are depriving other people from enjoying it. Yes, yes I know, PoM was awful but that's only our opinion - imagine someone took your library's only copy of Leroux or Kay and decided to burn it because they didn't like it.

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[info]rosedamask

July 26 2005, 13:37:50 UTC 6 years ago

I saw it in my local library and I read Phantom fo Manhattan.

I used the "Look Inside" thing on Amazon, so I was mercifully spared the horrors of the introduction...

But more importantly, what caused Forsyth to write such a horrible work? It was like really bad fanfiction.

...but not of the writing. Is it wrong that "Good luck, little spider" gives a mental image of the... um, author, thinking "OMFS!!!!1111 I am sooooo deep!111 liek, kids wud have to wer a paddling p00l floater wen tehy reed this, itz taht deep!!!1111"
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[info]samuraibutterfl

July 26 2005, 14:59:11 UTC 6 years ago

Yes I agree that the book sucks, but may I point out that now the library will just buy a new one to replace the burned copy? That means that he will just get more money for the evil...

[info]yellow_finch

July 27 2005, 04:57:09 UTC 6 years ago

Aren't they OOP though? If they are, this is brilliant.
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July 26 2005, 15:39:41 UTC 6 years ago

YOU are a GENIUS.

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July 27 2005, 16:09:14 UTC 6 years ago

Only among idiots.

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[info]glamourcorpse

July 26 2005, 15:55:21 UTC 6 years ago

I think a wide spread, venom soaked hatred of POM is the one thing most phans have in common.

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July 26 2005, 16:35:26 UTC 6 years ago

I have to say, I've yet to meet one person who enjoyed it.

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[info]victory_goddess

July 26 2005, 16:37:12 UTC 6 years ago

You know when an author begins a sequel by criticizing the original author, it's gonna be baaaaaaaad.

[info]dracschick

July 26 2005, 17:04:36 UTC 6 years ago

I hated the book too and.......

so did most of the fans when it debuted. Surprisingly, the book was rumored to be Phantom II which was suppose to go to broadway as a musical. However, the fans hated the book and so Phantom II was buried.

[info]munchlettebelle

July 26 2005, 17:49:41 UTC 6 years ago

Wow... I am in awe of your bravery. I don't think that I could burn a book, even if it was The Phantom of Manhattan. I borrowed it from a friend and read it once and... It was the most bizarre thing I've ever come across. *shudders* Even if the library does have to buy another copy, I think you did the right thing.

[info]alleykitten

July 27 2005, 16:10:13 UTC 6 years ago

Burning a book is no act of bravery. It's one of the lowest, most cowardly things you can do.

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[info]amarysia

July 26 2005, 20:23:33 UTC 6 years ago

I agree with you, "Phantom of Manhatten" is a horrible book. The whole concept is wrong and reading it was almost as bad as suffering from a physical pain. So therefore, although personally I could never bring myself to burn a book (and certainly not a borrowed book), I can at least understand your reaction :-)

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July 27 2005, 04:58:35 UTC 6 years ago

Lol, [info]ladyfox7oaks is an idiot.

I do not support book burning at all, except for this one.

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July 27 2005, 14:48:03 UTC 6 years ago

No! NO Book should EVER be BURNED! I don't care if that book gives instructions on how to build a bomb, preaches about god, or is badly written phantom fiction. BOOKS DON'T GET BURNED!

My heart is breaking :(

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July 27 2005, 14:46:14 UTC 6 years ago

This entire post and comment made me cry.

You fucking BURNED A BOOK!?! You burned a book because you didn't like it. I don't care what book it was, you FUCKING BURNED A BOOK! I've NEVER hated anyone online. But, I think I hate you. Burning that book actually makes me want to go out and buy a copy just so there will always be one safe. It has nothing to do with the content, the story or anything else....it's just the fact that YOU FUCKING BURNED A BOOK! WTF is wrong with you. I'm sick...I have to go throw up.


Lissa: Aye.

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July 27 2005, 16:11:31 UTC 6 years ago

Wow. Overreact much? People use newspapers as kindling and burn it all the time. Should we keep all the newspapers in the world too?

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That is so totally not cool. I threw the book in disgust, I laughed when I got it and it looked like the person who had had it before me tried to drown it, but I would never never NEVER in a million years actually burn a book, and I would never be the one to try to drown it myself. Books are precious to me, no matter how awful they are. I would never willingly or knowingly act as a destroyer of a book.

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El oh el, two dramas in one thread! Excellent, vg.

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[info]remordsposthume

July 27 2005, 17:39:34 UTC 6 years ago

^_^ amazing... i too read the hideous thing, and wished about three sentances in that i'd never picked up the damn thing. and, i can honestly say, if i had thought of burning it, i would have, but, alas, all i could manage to do was get it as far away from my prescious books before it... i dunno... contaminated them or something.

[info]hotarufeh

July 27 2005, 18:47:47 UTC 6 years ago

Huzzah, let us all march to Congress with our stupidity.

Excuse me while I take a deep breath and count to ten.






Alright. Better now.

Shadowbree, you are indeed a stereotypical fangirl. (Yes, that's with an 'f' not a 'ph') It seems to me that you see in two colours. Good and Evil. Anything Leroux says is holy and such, which is perfectly understandable, seeing as he's the creator of Erik and such, but to burn a fic just because it disagrees with Leroux and makes you cringe the entire way through is just plain stupid. It's stuff like this that makes the whole world look at us fangirls and fear for their lives.

Burning a book makes no statement. Bragging about it, however, does. This seems like a pathetic plea for attention.

I don't support you burning the book (or any book for that matter!) but you could have at least bought it and burned it. Burning a library book is incredibly cowardly.

Oh well. The library will always have it in their system that it went 'missing' under your name.

[info]alleykitten

July 27 2005, 21:17:06 UTC 6 years ago

This is a comment from my mom (the librarian):

"I just wanted to let you know the process for replacing books is as follows:

The library is more apt to replace a book that has been checked out. If a book hasn't been checked out twice in more than two years, then it's taken out of the system. If we go into the computer and find out it is missing they figure, "Oh this person must have really liked this book and kept it! So, we're going to replace it." When a book sits on the shelf and isn't checked out, we weed it out ourselves and don't purchase a replacement. When review comes up for that book, they will see that you checked it out and will attempt to replace it. They'll even transfer it in from another library that doesn't want it. A book that's out of print can be replaced by patron donation. Also, if you paid the "missing item" fine then you probably paid more than the book was worth because Libraries use a "basic fee" + a "processing fee."

So, by checking out that book and stealing it, you just made it more popular in the library system's eye.

You would have been better off leaving the book there and writing a review and discouraging people from checking it out. Eventually the library would have gotten rid of it on her own."

On a side note: My mom says that she's glad there aren't more people in the world like you. If more people thought like that..then, what would stop anyone from cutting off another person's hair because they don't like the style, or burning down a house because they think it's ugly. That book wasn't hurting anyone. There's a lot more civilized ways to protest.</i>
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[info]still8yearsold

July 29 2005, 01:48:15 UTC 6 years ago

Hey. alleykitten's mom even hates this guy. Somehow that's worse than all of us hating him together. go figure.
My stand on the whole thing is that all books are not holy just for being books. Call it a double standard, but all books are not valueable. Each book is not protected by some aura of mystical godlike protection just for being a book. I understand where that comes from, that deep-seated emotional desire to protect the written word, I get it. But it's not a blanketing principle. It's being misapplied here and it's ridiculous. The damn thing is replaceable, and judging by how many of these books obnoxiously pop up when I'm trying to find a good copy of Kay, they will continue to be replaceable for a long time.
The other, completely separate, issue here is theft. Stealing (as most people regard it, not the plastic utensil thing)is a verifiable evil and something that one does only after crossing a line of demarcation regarding what is ethical versus what is fun.
And, for the record, he didn't do the Erik thing, anyhow. Erik would have hunted down the author and bled him to death. Wouldn't *that* spark a lively debate. After all, it was slander...right?
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[info]littlelotte

July 27 2005, 21:24:31 UTC 6 years ago

To add to what I said earlier, and I've actually been considering making this into a post of its own all afternoon...

This community exists to poke fun at fundamentalist types, but to do it through a Phantom lens, really. There is a fine line between mimicing to mock and turning into that which we mock. If anybody posted about a group of Baptists gathering for a bonfire of books (it's been done) then everybody would have fumed and been outraged. This is no different than those bonfires, and a double standard on the subject is far from cool.

Also, burning a flag is far different than burning a book. I am the type who would burn the US flag, though I am probably more patriotic than any of those desiring to make the act illegal. The US flag is a symbol of what the forefathers of this country stood for, and burning the flag is an act protesting the current administration destroying all that those forefathers stood for and who are claiming that the reason they're doing it is because of and for said forefathers.

But...long post short: it's a very different thing, and there's a very fine line between mocking and becoming that which one mocks.

Though I can't deny that Erik would have probably had no qualms whatsoever about burning a book he hated that passionately.
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[info]mme_mim

July 27 2005, 22:38:55 UTC 6 years ago

Um, look, hooray for your "making a statement OMG" thing, but...why'd you have to steal from the library? That's a pretty jackass thing to do.
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[info]still8yearsold

July 29 2005, 01:49:19 UTC 6 years ago

Hey. alleykitten's mom even hates this guy. Somehow that's worse than all of us hating him together. go figure.
My stand on the whole thing is that all books are not holy just for being books. Call it a double standard, but all books are not valueable. Each book is not protected by some aura of mystical godlike protection just for being a book. I understand where that comes from, that deep-seated emotional desire to protect the written word, I get it. But it's not a blanketing principle. It's being misapplied here and it's ridiculous. The damn thing is replaceable, and judging by how many of these books obnoxiously pop up when I'm trying to find a good copy of Kay, they will continue to be replaceable for a long time.
The other, completely separate, issue here is theft. Stealing (as most people regard it, not the plastic utensil thing)is a verifiable evil and something that one does only after crossing a line of demarcation regarding what is ethical versus what is fun.
And, for the record, he didn't do the Erik thing, anyhow. Erik would have hunted down the author and bled him to death. Wouldn't *that* spark a lively debate. After all, it was slander...right?
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[info]unproportional

August 5 2005, 00:14:12 UTC 6 years ago

The more noble thing to have done would have been to buy your own copy then burn that.
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